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The '27 Roadster
 
August 01, 2003
OK folks - here goes!

With the never-ending urge to build something, I wanted to keep it inexpensive and easy to build. I had considered a T-Bucket, but decided to go for a car with just a little more leg room, not that I need the leg room. At 5' 7", I can fit in just about any car I've come across.
I really like '32's and '34's, but we want to keep this car within a budget........CHEAP!
 
The reasoning behind the decision to go with the '27 Roadster is easy enough. First, it's just one step above a T-Bucket, one of the easier-to-build projects, plus you get a bigger interior. Secondly, and one of the more important reasons for me personally is the fact that I can build the frame and most of the other hardware. That's really my favorite thing - I like to fabricate everything I can from the ground up. I really enjoy the designing, engineering and construction end of the process. Of course, later on when we tackle a higher end project, we'll use good brand name pieces. It's better for resale and bragging rights when you can say "yeah, that's a Pete & Jake's chassis".
Anyway, we also came up with the idea of documenting the construction as we go through the process. Watch us as we go along, and if you have any ideas, be sure to share them with me! I learn something new every day from my friends and customers. And if you see something you think I'm about to mess up, be sure tell me about it!............RJay
 

  August 03, 2003  
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We officially started the project when we went to St. Louis to a local rod shop to pick up a body. Since we're a full-line rod shop ourselves, we could have ordered the body, but this one was available the day I was in the mood, and you know how that goes. Buying this body was the first mistake. The shop said they had one with no doors or decklid, but when we got there it had doors and decklid cut-outs. I should have walked away right then. It is a lower quality body, and the doors and decklid are going to be an absolute nightmare to make fit and work right.
The pictures above are the first initial mock-up of the car. I like nostalgia-style, so the car will sit low, with the body being channeled 3" to cover the frame. We're doing the front end T-Bucket style with the SuperBell 4" Drop I-Beam axle hanging out in front of the frame. Jason Slover, owner of Pete & Jake's and SuperBell was more than helpful in whipping up a pair of batwings with spring mounts built in, as to set the spring down in behind the axle instead of on top. The rest of the front suspension will include a Posie's 29" spring and Pete & Jake's Hairpin Radius Rods.
The 2x4 represents the height of the frame rails off the ground, and as you can see, if I use a Model A grille shell, I'll have to section it to keep it off the ground.
I'll run fairly skinny tires front and rear, but haven't decided exactly what wheel/tire combo to use yet. Right now I'm leaning towards steelies, caps and wide white wall bias tires.
 

  August 18, 2003  
 

This is the first shots of the frame on the jig. I enjoy to to get as close as possible to perfection when it comes to fabrication, so I invested in a new tool that we sell on our website. It's called a SmartTool, and makes building frames like this a lot easier than in the past. It's a super-accurate digital level, and gives very precise readouts in inches, degrees or percents. I know for a fact that my jig table is perfectly level, and the frame stayed perfectly level, straight and square. I moved the table around on the floor until I had the right spot, then marked the floor around the base of the legs so I could keep it in exactly the same place. I had to slide a thin washer under one leg to get it just right, then I tacked the washer in place so it couldn't move.
I also learned from past experience - clamp the workpiece down tight and don't weld too much in one area. This time around I took the time to weld a couple welds, then walk away from it. You always need time to contemplate your next move anyway, so there's no reason to rush it. The frame stayed nice and level, and is less than 1/64" out of square anywhere and any way you want to measure it.
Before I ever started cutting and welding, I took all the measurements possible, built the frame in my head, then used my computer to draw up a working plan for the frame layout. I figured the ride height, and also figured enough rear frame kick-up to not ever have to worry about the rear end hitting the frame. I designed the frame wide, not narrow like a T-Bucket. This way I'll have more room for exhaust, etc. underneath the car. The frame fits right inside the outer edge of the body. That was what I thought anyway............

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I thought I had it all figured out until I realized that the frame was too wide to fit inside the body at the firewall. Whenever I did the initial measurements and layout, I designed to frame to start at 26-1/2" wide at the front and go to 39" wide at the rear. Where the frame met the firewall, it was about 2" too wide to fit inside the body! I cured the problem by notching the frame right at the firewall, and again right in front of the rear axle kick-up. Now the frame runs straight until it gets behind the firewall, then angles towards the outside of the body until it gets to the kick-up, then goes straight back to finish out the tail end.
In the pictures to the left, you can see the mock up of the SuperBell axle, Pete & Jake's Hairpins and the Posie's spring. You can also see the back kick-up part of the frame. You'll notice the angled braces that are welded to the jig table that hold the rear frame exactly level and square. The driveshaft loop is one that I had left over from my old race car that never got used.
The frame itself is made out of 2 x 3 x .120wall rectangular tubing, and the round tubing for misc. crossmembers is 1" OD x .120wall. The front crossmember in the frame is rectangle tube, instead of the round tube like most T-Buckets. I had the round tube laying there, but just couldn't bring myself to put it in. I'm thinking that if the ends of the frame rails are visible in the right way, I'll mount the front turn signals in the ends of the tubes.
Everything you see so far was put together with very basic shop tools. I use a Lincoln 110V wire feed welder. The welds are smoky because I'm using shielded wire, since I don't have gas yet. I cut all the materials with a chop saw. I can't emphasize enough about taking the time to square it, clamp it, check it, then check it again.
 

  DEAL OF THE CENTURY!  
 

I know what you're thinking about my 1985 Chevy Blazer donor vehicle - that thing is just DOG-BUTT UGLY!
As it turns out though, it was the perfect candidate for a donor car. I had planned on using a Blazer rear end, since they are the correct width, plus they have a Chevy 5-bolt wheel pattern. It's the same rear end as used under the late model Camaros, so it will be plenty strong. I also plan on using the front disc brake rotors and calipers. I would love to have drum brakes on the roadster, since I want this to be a nostalgia style car, but the disc brakes are just too readily available and the cost is right for this project.
What I didn't expect was too get a nostalgia motor with the Blazer. Dave McLain, a friend and builder of a flathead powered T-Bucket, ran the numbers on the block and heads and guess what I have - a 1965 Chevy 283 with the original heads! I couldn't have ended up with a more perfect engine for a trad '27! Along with it came chrome valve covers, a chrome timing chain cover, Flowmaster mufflers and some other pretty useful items that will help the project along.
It even came with a Turbo 200 transmission. Seems that the owner started a V-8 Blazer project, then ended up selling it to the person that I bought it from in order to clear up some debt. I'm hoping that the previous owner thought the engine and transmission were worth putting in the Blazer as is, so I might get by without having to rebuild either one. I plan to do a mild cam and the usual nostalgic dress-up items.
Now for the best part.....I payed $350 for the whole thing!

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  September 09, 2003  
 
I have made some progress and have gathered up some parts, but I took a break to make some money to put into the '27. There are some pretty expensive items to come up with now. Mainly rear end pieces - we'll use Pete & Jake's Viper coil-overs and ladder bars. But the frame is on the ground, sitting at ride height, with engine and trans mounts in place, and some other things that we'll show you soon.

I have Frank Tacchi's '30 Ford Cabriolet in the shop now. It's on a new Pete & Jake's chassis, and I'm in the process of installing a new Direct Sheetmetal firewall, Billet Specialties Polished Aluminum Tilt-Column, and some other work.
 

  September 15, 2003  
 
Just a quick note to show some recent progress - I managed to get motor mounts built, and you can see the tube crossmember that runs under the oil pan. You can also see the revised crossmember at the rear. I had to remove the driveshaft loop because I built it before I had the rear end, and it didn't work. I have to quit working ahead of myself! The trans crossmember is a Pete & Jake's item, and behind the motor mounts you can see the rosettes in the frame to mount the front Pete & Jake's Hairpins.
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  October 20, 2003  
 

I've made a little progress in the last few weeks. Some of the most recent advances have been the installation of the Pete & Jake's Ladder Bars and getting the rear end in place. I set the rear end in place on tubing that is tack welded to the frame. That holds the housing exactly at ride height so installing the bars would be a little easier.
To install the rear bars, I'm using rosettes through the main frame rails, just like the ones used to mount the front Hairpins. I also plan to install a bracket that will position the front Ladder Bar mount between it and the frame, but it's probably not really necessary for strength as much as it is my own piece of mind. As you can see in the pictures, the rear end mounts fit 360° around the housing, so if you have a rear end with ends on it already like the one I'm using, you have to split the mounts then weld them back together on the housing. I think mine turned out real well, and was even pleased enough with the welds not to cuss at myself after doing them!
The weld beads look good enough to paint, and the rear end will be hard to see once the car's on the ground anyway.
The thing you see clamped to the housing is a piece of 1/2" square tubing that I used to get the driveshaft alignment correct. The driveshaft in this car is going to run up hill to the rear end, since the engine is so low. I placed the engine as low as practical in the chassis without putting the oil pan on the ground, and it still looks like it sits fairly high compared to the frame.
The driveshaft will meet the rear end at 1° below center. Normally you would go a little more, but this rear end won't twist up much upon acceleration with the ladder bars holding things in place.

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Below are various shots of the car as it sits right now. The new Pete & Jake's Viper Coilovers should be here next week, and I plan on starting to cut the floor for the car so it can be glassed in. I'm not looking forward to the fiberglass work, but it has to be done! I'll get some more shots as soon as we can! Thanks................RJay
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November 28, 2003
Just a note to let you know that the project is going to move a little slower this time of year - not for lack of enthusiasm, but because it's not possible to heat my shop! Winter time has set in, so we'll be collecting some parts and waiting for warmer days!
I did manage to get some more work done on the frame, the Pete & Jake's Viper Coilovers are installed, and I've got some of the floor boards fiberglassed in. We just got the Lokar shifter the other day, but the Flaming River repro Corvair steering box has yet to show up. It's been on back order for about 7 weeks now. The last word I received was that the first shipment arrived at Flaming River, but they needed some reworking, so we're stuck waiting. Without the Corvair gearbox, I can't position the steering column or brake pedal assembly, so I can't get the front floorboards glassed in, etc.
I'll be getting shop time as we get warm enough days, but I'm afraid our hard winter is just about here, so in the meantime, keep on Hot Rodding, and I'll be gathering parts and ideas!.........RJay
 

 

March 26, 2004
Man, Am I ever glad it's finally getting warm enough to get in the shop! I haven't been totally slack, but I sure haven't made much progress during the cold months. I'll get some new pictures on as soon as possible to show you some of the work I managed to do when we had some warm spells. The rear floorboards are glassed in, there is some more framework done, and I did get some other smaller items accomplished.
I've got the new Total Performance front spring mount modified and installed, and I re-installed the whole front end. The shop's had enough humidity in it over the winter to make surface rust on all my new hardware, so I pulled off the axle, spindles, hairpins, etc. and sanded and primered everything. There's a new Vintique Model A grille shell sitting in front of the engine, and I found a Horton T-bucket brake pedal assembly on ebay. A friend of mine donated a '40 Ford pick up steering column to the project, and my Flaming River Corvair steering box arrived.
The front floor board is cut and fit, but I won't install it until I figure out how I'm going to mount the brake pedal and steering column. While at the Performance & Restoration Trade Show, I met the owner of Old Dawg Street Rods, where I bought the roadster body. He promised me a new set of inner doors for the body. He said that he had worked on them to make them fit better, and he would trade me a new set for free - nice guy - he didn't have to do that for me.
The car is also on jack stands now instead of sitting at ride height, so I can get around it better. I ran brake lines on the rear end, and it's time to get under it and figure out fuel lines, exhaust, etc. Below are a few progress shots!......................RJay

 
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You can see in a couple of the shots above what I've done to the frame. Since the frame is low and I've used the long style Pete & Jake's Ladder Bars, there's no room for frame crossmembers. The frame is as strong as any T-Bucket frame, but I like to overbuild a little when it comes to the chassis and frame, so I decided to add 1-1/2" square tubing crossmembers on TOP of the frame. This makes the frame rigid, ties the rear kick-ups into the main rails, and also provides a strong and sturdy platform to put the floor on. The seat will have a good base underneath it too so the structure on top of the frame has a lot of benefits. You can also see in the last picture how the floor is cut and glassed in so it sits right on top of the frame and upper structure. All together the frame now has the very front crossmember, one under the engine, the trans. x-member, the new ones under the floor board, two at the frame kick-up, one for the rear coil-overs, and one at the very rear - now that's a strong frame! No worry about tweaking or breakage here!

 

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